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Comments here continue from the main Stop Smart Meters article. Tue, 17 Jul 2012 08:05 pm
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I have a rental property, rented out through an Agent, in Richmond Vic. When Citipower reps arrived to changeover meters early in 2011, I was there and told them not to install it. I said the house was heritage listed....they eventually went away. I had a meterbox cover made and installed with a little hole for the meter reader, and put up a sign saying "no Smart meter" on it. In July 2012 Citipower sent Agent a letter saying a smartmeter was about to be installed. I wrote to CEO....
Now, here's the fun bit...
the Tenant has a Lease contract and is not allowed to make (or permit another party to make) changes to the Landlord's property, unless the L/L gives consent in writing. If a tenant does make, or allows another party to make changes without L/L consent, the tenant is in breach of their lease and can be taken to the Tribunal over the breach and the L/l can also apply for compensation. Furthermore, the Agent does not automatically have authority to allow changes to the L/L property. The Agent needs to have L/L written authority to do this. If the Agent permits changes to L/L property without L/L consent, then the Agent can be held liable for "Breach of Contract" (assuming there is the valid basic "letting authority" contact only in place) and the Agent can therefore not only be taken to REIV disciplinary committee, but also be sued under a couple of Acts for acting outside his authority and again compensation/ damages awarded.
Also, Heritage properties require Planning Permit applications usually from both the local Council and Heritage Victoria should there be anything proposed which would either alter the appearance of the building from the street, or which would/could result in damage to the "fabric" of the building...the Permit applications don't happen quickly, nor are the outcomes guaranteed....but the Heritage Act does allow for large penalties to be applied for a breach (and ignorance of the provisions in the Act is no defence!) Added to that, if a Heritage permit DOES issue, then the works must be properly supervised by a recognised Heritage expert...
This all raises several issues: 1. The rental Agent has no authority to allow Smartmeter installation. Make sure you put that in writing to the Agent. Ask that the Agent sends the Electricity Company a letter stating that fact(naturally giving the L/L a copy) and in addition, sending a copy of that correspondence to the Minister O'Brien.
2. Make sure you as L/L also tell the Electricity Company in writing that the Agent does not have your permission to allow a smart meter installation.
3. The tenant has no authority to allow a smart meter installation, as it is to be a fixture (ie supposedly non-reversable) to the L/L property. Make sure the tenant is aware of this fact in writing. If the tenant is amenable, ask them to send the Electricity Company a letter informing that the tenant has no authority to permit changes to the L/L property and in the event of a smartmeter installation "without consent", the tenant will seek full compensation and punitive damages from the Electricity Company. (Remember, that Tenants can end up with a bad record at VCAT and the other tenancy check organisations if they allow changes/damages to L/L property. This bad record can result in not being accepted for another rental property for years afterwards...This is what the compensation & punitive damages $$$ is for - ruining their name and rental prospects!)
4. If the property is Heritage listed, or in a Heritage overlay area, make sure you advise the Electricity Company of this in writing and include a copy of the HO map/listing. Tell the Electricity Company that they MUST apply for a Planning Permit, engaging a recognised Heritage consultant expert of YOUR choice (make sure you choose one from interstate, say W.A.) but at THEIR Company's cost, costs which including preparation of all plans, photos, reports and site inspections and attendances which are normally associated with the lodging of a Heritage Planning Application and any subsequent work on Heritage buildings. Advise them that you require a written undertaking from them that they will comply with your request (ie plans, permits & consultant at their cost, but your choice of consultant) and give a written undertaking that NO WORK to swap meters is to be undertaken until such time as the necessary approvals have been received, and that should works be undertaken on your Heritage property without Planning and/or Heritage Permits, AND if any damage - no matter how small - to the "fabric" of the Heritage building occurs, you will seek a prosecution under both Council Planning processes and the Heritage Act,as well as seek full compensation and punitive damages from them.
Send a copy of this correspondence to the Energy Minister O'Brien. If they do send you a written undertaking, make a copy &send for Minister O'Brien.

The point of all this? The Electricity company and its Agents, employees etc are exposed to large compensation and damages claims from at least three parties - you, the Agent and the tenant. In addition, there could be two successful prosecutions brought about from your Council and also Heritage Victoria.
Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:29 am
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They want to install the meter but are saying that I need to remove a verandah sheet or put a 30 cm hole in it so that they can have easy access to some box that runs the wire to the where-ever. I asked them to get access by going ONTO the verandah (instead of standing under it and going through it via hole of verandah sheet removal) and they said that they can't because it isn't safe. So they are saying I need to wreck my bullnose verandah and pay for it!! What can I do? It's not as though I'm not saying they can't install the meter, I'm just saying that why should I need to pay for someone to take on one of my sheets and then replace it ... This will wreck it as it is bolted in well and slips nicely under the guttering. What should I do ??

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Mon, 17 Sep 2012 06:26 pm
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I had the dumb meter installed over a year ago.
On overage my bill has increased by 15% although I don't use the electricity in any other way than before.
Even had all up 8 energy saving lamps installed now...
But the real issu for me is the scam behind it:
1. I was forced to pay over 800$ to udate my meter box. A must as I forced onto the new meter!
2. My bill has incresed to an extent that is no longer funny.
3. I get hassled by my provider that they need access to read my meter.

The technology causes intereference to say the least, the remote readin is not working yet and most likely will never work.
You ask why? Because the gouvernment is now stopping the rollout completely and only if Victoria is converted to smart meters completely the system can be activated fully.
To make thinks really bad the biggest drawing card, safety, is another scam:
Basically no meter was installed with the ability to shut down the electricity remotely. It was claimed to help prevent bushfires and to regulate electricity usage in peak periods.
No wonder they were not allowed to use this system, would you like your provider to turn your aircon off at 45° because your suburb uses too much power?
All up, since the meter was installed, I had to pay over 2500$ more over this 2 year peroid, compared to the last 2 years.
Gouvernment and suplliers mess up, we get ripped off by forking out the money for the problems they caused - you gotta love the australian way of doing business....
Wed, 21 Nov 2012 10:36 am
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I rejected a smart meter yesterday (I am a tenant and lucky I was home to see the man approaching the electricity box) I said no when he told me he was about to fit a smart meter. I and my family do NOT want a smart meter, for cost, health and issues regarding radio frequency. The man from United Energy warned me that in the end, I would lose this fight. Unbelievably, he bet me that I would eventually have one installed and threatened that If i don't agree to it being installed, my power would be cut. Irresponsible, threatening and utter harrassment. I'm now worried that If I don't guard the meter box, when I return from holidays, I will find that a smart meter has been illegally installed in my home. Any advice out there? Sat, 15 Dec 2012 12:17 pm
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Smart meter installed with no warning or request - the old one had a loose glass face. Bills doubled. I have been doing audits - turned everything off today, went to work and came home to read the meter, apparently, I used 1000 kwts in peak time (A). Don't know how that happened. Taking this to ombudsmen but not sure if anything will come of this....despirately need advise. Wed, 09 Jan 2013 06:16 pm
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There are legal template letters that can be used to ensure that you are legally within your rights to refuse.
Contract law requires consent. The distributers of Smart Meters are incorporated bodies and can only act on your consent. They cannot force you to pay for a product that you are refusing. This contravenes the Sale of offices Act 1809 and 1551, both in full force by the Commonwealth as far as i am aware.
Fri, 18 Jan 2013 06:56 pm
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what rights do I have, I am the owner of this property. Wed, 13 Feb 2013 08:09 am
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Anonymous
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Hi,
Can anyone advise me.
We are moving into our unit that, has no power because the tenants had the power turned off when they left.

The power company will not do the reading unless we have a Smart Meter installed, while they connect the power.
Tue, 19 Feb 2013 04:22 pm
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Hello everybody,
I've just received a letter from United Energy advising me of the new meter installation. My first reaction, as very usual and typical of me, was to think "Bloddy people!". So I came to this and another forum to read more about the subject and to re-enforce my initial reaction with wise, rational, new knowledge. Guess what! After reading lots of postings I realised you people are rather irrational and most of your arguments are just based in magic thinking, with very little or none scientific support. You actually have managed to convince me these smart meters are a good thing, instead of convincing me of the opposite. Good try! Keep thinking as if we were in the 1500s! Next thing you'll want to do is go and try to burn witches.
Fri, 15 Mar 2013 05:45 pm
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To anonymous above who i happy with smart meters,,TELL ME PUBLICLY YOUR NAME an ACCEPT TTHAT YOU WILL PUT THAT BENEFICIAL DEVICE UNDER PILLOWS OF YOUR KIDS AND YOUR WIFE(BENEFICIARIES) AND I WILL PERSONALLY BUY YOU THIS DEVICE,,,FOR ME SIKTER THAT MACHINE, SURVEILLANCE AND RADIATING DEATH THREAT!!! Fri, 12 Apr 2013 11:23 pm
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My first time here too, and on reading all the posts I can only agree with the second last poster above, and the last post above proves the point!



I totally agree >"After reading lots of postings I realised you people are rather irrational and most of your arguments are just based in magic thinking, with very little or none scientific support. You actually have managed to convince me these smart meters are a good thing, instead of convincing me of the opposite. Good try! Keep thinking as if we were in the 1500s! Next thing you'll want to do is go and try to burn witches."

Those with mental illnesses and phobia's deserve assistance and treatment for their conditions, but issues like this simply attract the hypercondriacs, the delusional, the paranoid and the "stark raving mad" and allow them to be revved up by each other, and preyed upon by snake oil salesmen and quacks.
Sat, 11 May 2013 09:42 am
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I had a 3 phase meter that was only a few years old and SP AusNet came and replaced it with a cheap looking smart meter. They did not leave my existing meter which I could have sold for a reasonable amount of money. They had no right to take my property away. After a few weeks a lighting strike in the street blew the smart meter out and left a blackened interior. It was removed in my absence. They now expect me to replace it. I will report it as theft to the police. Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:27 pm
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We have just received a letter to replace our meter. In the Q&A section it states that even if we have a notice to stop the installation it will be disregarded and installation will go ahead. We sent a letter back in January stating our objections. Do we have a leg to stand on or do we have to just let installation go ahead? They also state they will cut off our supply if we try to stop this happening. Wed, 03 Jul 2013 06:20 pm
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You guys are a joke. If you don't get a smart meter installed by the end of this year then the govt funding stops and anyone who refuses will have to pay for it to be installed out of your own pocket, and to get this rollout done they will just cut your electricity until you agree to get the meter installed at your expense! Sat, 10 Aug 2013 09:25 pm
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